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Old 04-01-2012, 11:28 PM   #601
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Old 04-01-2012, 11:55 PM   #602
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The Hurt is also a 6 strong song, actually. Haake said it in an interview.
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Old 04-02-2012, 08:02 AM   #603
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Break is groovy, but probably the weakest song on the album. Typical for a single/video.
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Old 04-02-2012, 08:03 AM   #604
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Yeah, like Bleed eh?
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:39 AM   #605
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The Hurt is also a 6 strong song, actually. Haake said it in an interview.
I remember reading that, but the riff at 2:05 goes way below Eb

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and about the singles, marten stated in an interview that they wanted to do the opposite of what they did on Obzen and released the slowest, brooding song first. i'm happy with it.

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Old 04-02-2012, 05:25 PM   #606
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Yeah, like Bleed eh?
I know it wasn't the case there (the thought crossed my mind immediately), but there are so many albums where it's true.
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Old 04-03-2012, 07:17 PM   #607
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Listening to this for the first time now, it has its cool moments, although the song I'm up to now, Marrow, is fucking ridiculous
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:56 PM   #608
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After listening to this over the course of a week, I'm completely happy with it. I agree with the description of it as a "collection of songs". At this point I love every track, but I came to appreciate each of them separately and at different times. That's completely different from how I usually engage with metal albums. Metal is not usually as song oriented, and I'm impressed by Meshuggah's ability to craft this type of album as successfully as they did.

It seems like one of those albums with barely an excess note - most songs are stripped down to a couple core ideas with just enough variation and subtleties to keep the listener engaged. As an album I think it works extremely well also - it covers a number of moods in different songs, with the song ordering tuned to give an overall balance to the experience.

They could have gone in a more technical or experimental direction, and I hope we still have albums like that in the future. But as it stands right now I value it as much as anything they've done - just for a different reason.
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Old 04-04-2012, 11:10 PM   #609
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Old 04-04-2012, 11:27 PM   #610
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Love the fact that each song exists as its own entity. Although, I can't get into Demiurge, seems like a less captivating version of Swarm.
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Old 04-05-2012, 12:28 AM   #611
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Love the fact that each song exists as its own entity. Although, I can't get into Demiurge, seems like a less captivating version of Swarm.
Demiurge doesn't sound like swarm at all to me.

Certain songs I haven't been crazy about are starting to grow on me a bit more. I'm liking parts of swarm much more than before. The solo, for example, literally sounds like millions of locusts swarming around your face trying to eat you alive. Meshuggah, like no other band, can REALLY put sense into their song titles. Overall I still am a bit bored with the song and rarely have an urge to listen to it.

Break those Bones kind of hit me earlier tonight when I was driving around stoned listening to it, haha. The groove is played with such feeling and there are a lot of awesome little nuances in the picking technique that I didn't really notice before.

Marrow still owns my life.
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Old 04-05-2012, 05:05 PM   #612
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Opener and middle riffs of I am Colossus is very good, so lasciviously groovy.

Jens got more brutal vocal here, and guitars got nice tunes as well also snare sounds pretty intense.

The Demon's Name, The Hurt, Marrow and Swarm are best songs now imo
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After about half a dozen listens, I'm hooked on Marrow, The Hurt, and Demiurge, especially the latter, holy crap so awesome
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Just wondering: How many of you actively try to count out the rhythms of what the drums/guitars are playing when listening to Meshuggah?

If some of you are so musically versed that you can hear exactly what's going on in any given Meshuggah song without even trying, then that would still count as a "no". I'm just wondering about the level of conscious effort most people put in.
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Just wondering: How many of you actively try to count out the rhythms of what the drums/guitars are playing when listening to Meshuggah?
I certainly have, on many occasions in the past. I often try to air guitar along to certain rhythms, both because I just do that anyway and because it helps me appreciate how deceptive the riffs can be.
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sometimes i do that with the riffs, but i'm usually looking for the 4/4 beat in tomas' drum playing.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:17 AM   #617
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Just wondering: How many of you actively try to count out the rhythms of what the drums/guitars are playing when listening to Meshuggah?

If some of you are so musically versed that you can hear exactly what's going on in any given Meshuggah song without even trying, then that would still count as a "no". I'm just wondering about the level of conscious effort most people put in.
I always have an urge to do that with songs that have more of a steady repetition, like Break Those Bones for instance. If you break down the large riff into coherent sub-groupings, it's fun to hear how the groupings play out over time and within the context of the 4/4 meter.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:29 AM   #618
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I used to put in quite a bit of effort when I first started listening to them 10 years ago. It was harder back then not only because I had no real ear training, but because I was making what they were to doing out to be more than it really is. If you can chew bubblegum and walk at the same time, you can figure out the rhythm for a Meshuggah riff and/or song, it just takes persistent practice. If you work on ear training, specifically rhythm dictation in this case, it gets easier and becomes fun. More rhythmic cells will be knee-jerk for you and you wont even have to think about what they are because you've practiced them so much that you've internalized them. You'll begin to hear rhythmic displacement, concepts such as diminution or augmentation being applied to their phrasing, a subtle but basic polyrhythm might be in effect for just a measure, etc. All kinds of fun and interesting things to keep you engaged if you're into that. I do this stuff all the time if it's something that really sticks out to me and I want to know what it is, not just with Meshuggah, but with any band or composer. And of course, sometimes it's nice to shut off the intellectual side of your brain and let the intuitive side take over for awhile, but when both sides can get along it's probably the best feeling in the world. I mean in general, not just with Meshuggah, lol.

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Old 04-06-2012, 10:34 PM   #619
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I always have an urge to do that with songs that have more of a steady repetition, like Break Those Bones for instance. If you break down the large riff into coherent sub-groupings, it's fun to hear how the groupings play out over time and within the context of the 4/4 meter.
Yeah this. I wouldn't say I sit down and analyse the fuck out of it or anything, but it usually comes as a by-product of tappin' along while driving.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:00 PM   #620
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I always have an urge to do that with songs that have more of a steady repetition, like Break Those Bones for instance. If you break down the large riff into coherent sub-groupings, it's fun to hear how the groupings play out over time and within the context of the 4/4 meter.
Haha I know exactly what you mean with Break Those Bones. Kinda the same thing with Do Not Look Down. I always drum along to the drums, but the other day I tried following the guitar pattern, and it was interesting seeing how its separate pattern sort deviates into uncharted territory from the 4/4 drums and then eventually circles back around to congruency with them.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:32 PM   #621
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If you sit there and count along with the music regularly, you are a jack ass.
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:29 AM   #622
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diminution or augmentation being applied to their phrasing
But that would be doubling/halving durations. I think you mean just mean shortening or lengthening phrases.

What I find fun is when I'm tapping/nodding/whatever along and they outwit me, but then I get back in and anticipate the move next time. What I sometimes find a bit of a cop-out (though sometimes it's perfect) is when after however many repetitions of an odd-time riff, they add a shorter bar like 2/4 to bring up the total beats to a multiple of 4, so that it comes together with the surface 4/4 beat. I'd like them to stay asymmetrical a bit more often.
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Bought this and the new Mars Volta for 10 bucks a piece at best buy in the best seller section next to Rhianas new album...odd.

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But that would be doubling/halving durations. I think you mean just mean shortening or lengthening phrases.

What I find fun is when I'm tapping/nodding/whatever along and they outwit me, but then I get back in and anticipate the move next time. What I sometimes find a bit of a cop-out (though sometimes it's perfect) is when after however many repetitions of an odd-time riff, they add a shorter bar like 2/4 to bring up the total beats to a multiple of 4, so that it comes together with the surface 4/4 beat. I'd like them to stay asymmetrical a bit more often.
Exactly how I feel
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I think you mean just mean shortening or lengthening phrases.
Correct. Agreed with what you said about the cop-out bit, but that's kind of their trademark. One of my favorite newer examples I can think of is the massive riff after the clean break in "Lethargica".
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so what are the riff/solo highlights for everyone?

Solo in IAC, 3:00 in DNLD, second solo and last riff in Marrow, 3:15-4:00 in Demiurge
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Riffs:
3:34 in Demiurge
3:48 in Break those Bones
3:06 til end in THTFYF

Solos:
1:48 in Do Not Look Down (so fucking boss coming from Meshuggah)
3:20 in Swarm
Second solo in Marrow
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Riffs
1:51 in Hurt
2:11 in Demon's Name
3:00 in Do Not Look Down
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fuck it, pretty much everything.

Solos
- Demon's Name blows my testes every time. It's reminiscent of every Fredrik atonal tapping frenzy, except it actually has a cohesive progression it follows.
- both in Marrow
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very Fredrik atonal tapping frenzy
Spider Soloing!
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