New Meshuggah record - Page 2

Sculpy · 01-19-2011, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Guiller

but that's what great bands do, they surprise you when you think they have done everything they could.

Indeed. Meshuggah have been doing this to me ever since after Chaosphere was released.

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Originally Posted by Mayhem After Death

i enjoyed obzen a lot, but it wasn't as much of a step in a new direction as all of their previous albums have been. it sounds like a fantastic combination of all of their previous works, not to mention more melodic.

I agree, that's how i've thought about obzen since release, and that's why I like it so much. It's almost as if I don't have to figure out which shuggah album I ever want to listen to because I can sort of hear them all through the songs on obzen. I fucking love it.

cry0fth3carr0ts · 01-19-2011, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by flayedandskinned

I can't stand Meshuggah but what is the album you would recommend to sway me?

pretty sure if you don't like this song you will not like anything by meshuggah.

Beacons · 01-19-2011, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cry0fth3carr0ts

pretty sure if you don't like this song you will not like anything by meshuggah.

Haha thats funny because that is the first song by them I ever heard way before I was into heavier music and i thought it was so intense and catchy haha. Good call dude

AlphaXray · 01-19-2011, 01:58 AM

This

At least the breakdown starting around 4:25

quartertone · 01-19-2011, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ChAAPY

After listening to these guys for 10 years now, I think the re-release of "Nothing" is my favorite full length of theirs.

I never saw the point of that. The original is one of my favourites of theirs (just listening to it yesterday, actually), but the re-recording just sounded sluggish and Jens sounded strained. The production on the original is great, why fix it if it ain't broke?

Also, no mention of I? It may not be a full-length, but it's definitely one of my fave releases by them. It has everything that makes them great - crushing slow parts, fast rhythmic workouts, atmospheric interludes... And it's superb in its compositional form too.

RICE510 · 01-19-2011, 02:26 AM

really can't imagine them coming up with anything that isn't just redundancy at this point.

ShadowHunter · 01-19-2011, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by quartertroll

Also, no mention of I? It may not be a full-length, but it's definitely one of my fave releases by them. It has everything that makes them great - crushing slow parts, fast rhythmic workouts, atmospheric interludes... And it's superb in its compositional form too.

probably my favorite release of theirs

Oleg · 01-19-2011, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by quartertroll

I never saw the point of that. The original is one of my favourites of theirs (just listening to it yesterday, actually), but the re-recording just sounded sluggish and Jens sounded strained. The production on the original is great, why fix it if it ain't broke?

I think both the original and re-release sound amazing, but I definitely prefer the original. The drums sound so much more organic and the dirtiness in the guitar/bass tone really complements the grooves and the album as a whole.

Baleface · 01-19-2011, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by flayedandskinned

I can't stand Meshuggah but what is the album you would recommend to sway me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6VerKdcrOQ

Hear it through.

RapturousGrief · 01-19-2011, 06:52 AM

I, obZen, and Catch 33 are my niggas

phagist_ · 01-19-2011, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RapturousGrief

I, obZen, and Catch 33 are my niggas

quartertone · 01-19-2011, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Baleface

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6VerKdcrOQ

Hear it through.

Always been one of my fave 'shugg songs.

Guiller · 01-19-2011, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by quartertroll

I never saw the point of that. The original is one of my favourites of theirs (just listening to it yesterday, actually), but the re-recording just sounded sluggish and Jens sounded strained. The production on the original is great, why fix it if it ain't broke?

They wanted to re-record it with 8 strings. It sounds better for me.

ChAAPY · 01-19-2011, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by quartertroll

I never saw the point of that. The original is one of my favourites of theirs (just listening to it yesterday, actually), but the re-recording just sounded sluggish and Jens sounded strained. The production on the original is great, why fix it if it ain't broke?

Also, no mention of I? It may not be a full-length, but it's definitely one of my fave releases by them. It has everything that makes them great - crushing slow parts, fast rhythmic workouts, atmospheric interludes... And it's superb in its compositional form too.

The guitars sound 10x better and smoother since they can actually handle the low end. I agree that the vocal effects they added to Jen's performance was off putting at first, but I enjoy them. I also like the sample replacement on the drums and Nebulous sounds so much more heavier when slowed down. They rushed the recording and performance on the original so they could make it onto Ozzfest that year, so I'm glad they decided to go back and give one of their albums the treatment they thought it deserved, hardly a waste of time imo. I think "Catch 33" trumps "I". If they ever figure out how to play them, they need to perform those two live. Would be incredible.

Lichtbringer · 01-19-2011, 10:35 AM

I completely fail to understand how anyone could not call "Destroy Erase Improve" their best album. Their absolute pinnacle, containing their most diverse, complex yet catchy songs!

ChAAPY · 01-19-2011, 10:47 AM

some of us prefer the more atmospheric direction they took following Chaosphere.

Vadge · 01-19-2011, 10:56 AM

I would be one of those people, as much as I love DEI

Reincremation · 01-19-2011, 11:40 AM

i don't especially like or hate meshuggah but i think Nothing is clearly their worst release. just saying.

rfe · 01-19-2011, 12:44 PM

Catch 33, Nothing, Chaosphere and DEI are my personal favorites. Also Contradictions Collapse is pretty underrated.

Nun Stampede! · 01-19-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by flayedandskinned

Dude! I heard that riff errr, i mean that discography.

I used to give this band shit for being full of chug riffs, but if you take a listen to ObZen and honestly don't hear any versatility/songwriting then you should not be allowed to operate a pair of headphones without supervision.

Also, the Re-Record of Nothing happened because the 7 strings were tuned down beyond a point that they could handle.

Took me a while to get into them, but this band rules.

My least favorite song by Meshuggah is probably Neurotica. Sounds like pitch-shifted circus music to me for some reason.

Grindmasterflesh · 01-19-2011, 01:01 PM

a friend told me that catch 33 is basically ez drummer on drums cause haake couldn´t play it at the time they were in the studio... ist that true??

Nun Stampede! · 01-19-2011, 01:06 PM

I don't know about that. I know that a lot of the writing was Fredrik programming EZDrummer shit, but those were demos. I'm pretty sure they all got a proper re-record from Haake. He even did the studio drums for Bleed as far as I know. It just took him forever to learn/prepare for playing live. But a decent amount of time separates those two releases so maybe he just got better in the meantime. No real answer to your question.

ChAAPY · 01-19-2011, 01:11 PM

I don't think there is anything on Catch 33 that Haake can't play. They explained numerous times that it was just more cost effective to use Superior. Plus, every member contributed to the writing process. They all wrote beats, riffs (people forget that Jens plays guitar and actually wrote "Suffer in Truth"), vocals, lyrics, arrangements, etc. That's why I think it's their best release as a collaborative effort. It was meant to be an experiment, the antithesis to "I", basically.

Curtain · 01-19-2011, 01:13 PM

I seem to remember reading that Catch 33 was programmed because all band members wanted to have input into the final drum orchestration. Something like that.

EDIT: Yeah.

Oleg · 01-19-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nun Stampede!

My least favorite song by Meshuggah is probably Neurotica. Sounds like pitch-shifted circus music to me for some reason.

maybe this will give you a new perspective on Neurotica

it's an amazing acoustic pop cover of neurotica lol!

El-Heino · 01-19-2011, 05:15 PM

Meshuggah will never fail to amaze me for a coupla reasons:
- the amount of talent collectively held within the band **
- the way they have move in new directions after each release (I was there when fans begged for years for DEI 2.0, and they never gave in)
- the obvious regard and trust they have in paving their own way within the metal genre

** just watch those YouTube live videos of Jens/Fredrik simultaneously singing and playing (guitar) the parts off Contradictions, way back in 1990!!!

Interestingly, Thordendal has visibly been taking a lesser and lesser role in the songwriting of the more recent Meshuggah releases. Whilst Hagström has come to define the current "sound" of the band... Quite curious when you think about the origins of the current line-up.

quartertone · 01-19-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nun Stampede!

Also, the Re-Record of Nothing happened because the 7 strings were tuned down beyond a point that they could handle.

Er... they handle it just fine on my CD.

Phidion · 01-19-2011, 06:26 PM

Perfect band both live and on disc.
Every release is slightly different from the previous and always great.
So will the new one....

ChAAPY · 01-19-2011, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by quartertroll

Er... they handle it just fine on my CD.

but they handle it even better on the re-release. this isn't debatable ;p

the whole mix in general is a bit more soothing compared to the original. not as high-mid rangey.

De Profoundis · 01-19-2011, 08:09 PM

Yes, yes, Meshuggah.

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01-19-2011, 01:58 AM	#34
AlphaXray Can You Hear Us Join Date: May 2007 Location: AZ Posts: 930 Rep Power: 6	This At least the breakdown starting around 4:25

01-19-2011, 02:26 AM	#36
RICE510 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: California Posts: 7,554 Rep Power: 18	really can't imagine them coming up with anything that isn't just redundancy at this point.

01-19-2011, 06:52 AM	#40
RapturousGrief wat Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Doylestown, PA Posts: 1,118 Rep Power: 5	I, obZen, and Catch 33 are my niggas

01-19-2011, 10:35 AM	#45
Lichtbringer Kellerstahl Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ass Posts: 8,605 Rep Power: 18	I completely fail to understand how anyone could not call "Destroy Erase Improve" their best album. Their absolute pinnacle, containing their most diverse, complex yet catchy songs!

01-19-2011, 10:47 AM	#46
ChAAPY it's one louder Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX Posts: 15,596 Rep Power: 25	some of us prefer the more atmospheric direction they took following Chaosphere.

01-19-2011, 10:56 AM	#47
Vadge Definitely a dog Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Either a kennel or somewhere that dogs are usually at Posts: 5,184 Rep Power: 14	I would be one of those people, as much as I love DEI

01-19-2011, 11:40 AM	#48
Reincremation deranged from bud Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 24,389 Rep Power: 34	i don't especially like or hate meshuggah but i think Nothing is clearly their worst release. just saying.

01-19-2011, 12:44 PM	#49
rfe u what m8 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: VA Posts: 903 Rep Power: 5	Catch 33, Nothing, Chaosphere and DEI are my personal favorites. Also Contradictions Collapse is pretty underrated.

01-19-2011, 01:01 PM	#51
Grindmasterflesh Cashflow Metal Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wallstreet Posts: 10,953 Rep Power: 19	a friend told me that catch 33 is basically ez drummer on drums cause haake couldn´t play it at the time they were in the studio... ist that true??

01-19-2011, 01:06 PM	#52
Nun Stampede! Lives in a houseboat Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mass Posts: 10,297 Rep Power: 17	I don't know about that. I know that a lot of the writing was Fredrik programming EZDrummer shit, but those were demos. I'm pretty sure they all got a proper re-record from Haake. He even did the studio drums for Bleed as far as I know. It just took him forever to learn/prepare for playing live. But a decent amount of time separates those two releases so maybe he just got better in the meantime. No real answer to your question.

01-19-2011, 01:11 PM	#53
ChAAPY it's one louder Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX Posts: 15,596 Rep Power: 25	I don't think there is anything on Catch 33 that Haake can't play. They explained numerous times that it was just more cost effective to use Superior. Plus, every member contributed to the writing process. They all wrote beats, riffs (people forget that Jens plays guitar and actually wrote "Suffer in Truth"), vocals, lyrics, arrangements, etc. That's why I think it's their best release as a collaborative effort. It was meant to be an experiment, the antithesis to "I", basically.

01-19-2011, 01:13 PM	#54
Curtain Huge Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,118 Rep Power: 5	I seem to remember reading that Catch 33 was programmed because all band members wanted to have input into the final drum orchestration. Something like that. EDIT: Yeah.

01-19-2011, 05:15 PM	#56
El-Heino EM-Guld Join Date: May 2004 Location: Caracass Posts: 2,046 Rep Power: 12	Meshuggah will never fail to amaze me for a coupla reasons: - the amount of talent collectively held within the band - the way they have move in new directions after each release (I was there when fans begged for years for DEI 2.0, and they never gave in) - the obvious regard and trust they have in paving their own way within the metal genre just watch those YouTube live videos of Jens/Fredrik simultaneously singing and playing (guitar) the parts off Contradictions, way back in 1990!!! Interestingly, Thordendal has visibly been taking a lesser and lesser role in the songwriting of the more recent Meshuggah releases. Whilst Hagström has come to define the current "sound" of the band... Quite curious when you think about the origins of the current line-up.

01-19-2011, 06:26 PM	#58
Phidion Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,581 Rep Power: 7	Perfect band both live and on disc. Every release is slightly different from the previous and always great. So will the new one....

01-19-2011, 08:09 PM	#60
De Profoundis ۞CC♆LTIST Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: busy retracting bangs Posts: 8,441 Rep Power: 20	Yes, yes, Meshuggah.