Death metal's "Changing of the guard" - Page 3

LesserAnimal · 10-03-2008, 09:25 PM

Right. So we're likely in for quite a downturn as far as live DM goes. 5-10 years from now.

RICE510 · 10-03-2008, 11:46 PM

If you guys are honest with yourselves you'd all acknowledge the pink elephant that's in the room:

Scenebands will take over and real Death Metal will be forced to try and tag along.

SlipkyesBass · 10-03-2008, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden

Priest = Primal Fear
Maiden = Machine Men
Slayer = Too many tribute bands to mention
Metallica = Evile

Ive never heard of any of those bands except primal fear. you dont get it, the thread isnt about replacing as in being a musical copy of the bands, its about being as big as those bands were when the were/are still active, crowd-wise

I tend to see Necrophagist as the new Death, as in the band is pretty much where death left off but a lot more brutal, maybe Im crazy but I see a huge resemblance between those two. Please keep Behemoth out of this, they are so going downhill IMO, whoever doesnt think their latest albums are nile copycats is friggin deaf.

Tzimisce · 10-03-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SlipkyesBass

I tend to see Necrophagist as the new Death

NO NO NO NO NO!
JUST NO

YOU'RE MAKING CHUCK'S GHOST CRY!

SlipkyesBass · 10-04-2008, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Horror Hive Junkie

NO NO NO NO NO!
JUST NO

YOU'RE MAKING CHUCK'S GHOST CRY!

shut the hell up or I'll tell on you to coma, your banned here you bastard

Tzimisce · 10-04-2008, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SlipkyesBass

shut the hell up or I'll tell on you to coma, your banned here you bastard

Pfft.

You know I'm right. Comparing Necrophagist to Death is like comparing Kenneth Eng to Tolkien. I'll let you figure that one out for yourself.

SlipkyesBass · 10-04-2008, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Horror Hive Junkie

Pfft.

You know I'm right. Comparing Necrophagist to Death is like comparing Kenneth Eng to Tolkien. I'll let you figure that one out for yourself.

google...... Kenneth...... Eng....... dont have the strength, i guess ill stick to porn and smn tonight, ill just say your right and continue with my wanking

Tomes of Deceit · 10-04-2008, 02:59 AM

Necrophagist is the new Death.
Just like Lamb of God is the new Megadeth.
That's the changing of the guard for you.

Nihilist · 10-04-2008, 03:03 AM

Portal? The Australian one? They've been around since '94...

shroudofimpurity · 10-04-2008, 04:42 AM

I dont know what exactly will happen in 10 years or so, but I know that we keep getting better and better offers for touring. And if there is a way to make this pay the bills and love what I do at the same time... that would kick ass! Whether or not you think my music is original, I put my heart in to it. And trust me, I'm not compromising... I'm just playing what comes natural. Also, we're not trying to out do the classic bands, or take their place in anyway.

NRWDM_Markus · 10-04-2008, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomes of Deceit

Just like Lamb of God is the new Megadeth.

Lamb Of God are the new Pantera, IMO.

quartertone · 10-04-2008, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RICE510

If you guys are honest with yourselves you'd all acknowledge the pink elephant that's in the room:

Scenebands will take over and real Death Metal will be forced to try and tag along.

Yes, I would actually have thought that was obvious. Maybe people are just in denial.

smorgasborg · 10-04-2008, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by quartertone

Yes, I would actually have thought that was obvious. Maybe people are just in denial.

agreed, the Dimmus, Bodoms, In Flames etc of the last generation of "more mainstream" metal is being replaced by the "scenier" metal bands. There will always be an underground for the good stuff, but like said, they'll have to try and tag along, or just have their own miniscule tours/shows.

Vriend · 10-04-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by LesserAnimal

All of that is debatable. I'm not in love with every band I mentioned by any means. The real question remains, though. Will any newer band be able to lead a tour across the states that actually draws like CC/MA do now?

I can't think of anyone to fill their shoes, and thus see a "depression" in the DM world coming in 5-10 more years.

Of course, the situation could change entirely by then.

Oh ok, I thought you liked the band, sorry for the misunderstanding.
I do think you are right when you see a depression coming up.
And the comments about deathcore and stuff, shit is quit huge, I start to notice it as well in Europe. A lot of bands and fans, hhhmm.

Demise of Time · 10-04-2008, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden

Priest = Primal Fear
Maiden = Machine Men
Slayer = Too many tribute bands to mention
Metallica = Evile

I

you Tyler, you talk so much shit.

Dan_Nailed · 10-04-2008, 09:10 AM

I think Mastodon are the new Metallica, or if not the new Metallica then they are gonna be the front runners of the scene for a while. As for DM, I'd go for TBDM, Decrepit Birth and Psycroptic to have an impact myself.

Johnny-Skinless · 10-04-2008, 10:12 AM

Changing of the what?? LOL@thread

Tyler Durden · 10-04-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Demise of Time

I

you Tyler, you talk so much shit.

It's nice to have a fan...

SHRED6STRING · 10-04-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomes of Deceit

Just like Lamb of God is the new Megadeth.
.

LesserAnimal · 10-04-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny-Skinless

Changing of the what?? LOL@thread

LOL@the one person who's confused. Everyone knows what "Changing of the Guard" means, nerd!

AllP0werToSlaves · 10-04-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by shroudofimpurity

I dont know what exactly will happen in 10 years or so, but I know that we keep getting better and better offers for touring. And if there is a way to make this pay the bills and love what I do at the same time... that would kick ass! Whether or not you think my music is original, I put my heart in to it. And trust me, I'm not compromising... I'm just playing what comes natural. Also, we're not trying to out do the classic bands, or take their place in anyway.

:)

thinkpad20 · 10-04-2008, 08:15 PM

The bands you mentioned will not be "replaced." No one is going to write a new Pierced from Within or a new Covenant, a new Close to a World Below, etc... these are legendary bands for a reason; because their music is timeless. New bands have come along and written amazing albums, but they have done it on the shoulders of other bands, just as those other bands did it on the shoulders of their heroes. The evolution of underground music is just that, evolution, not about what's hot and what's not. That's reserved for the realm of pop music, which can suck my hairy ass.

And yeah everything I've said has probably already been said in this thread, but whatever.

RICE510 · 10-04-2008, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thinkpad20

The bands you mentioned will not be "replaced." No one is going to write a new Pierced from Within or a new Covenant, a new Close to a World Below, etc... these are legendary bands for a reason; because their music is timeless. New bands have come along and written amazing albums, but they have done it on the shoulders of other bands, just as those other bands did it on the shoulders of their heroes. The evolution of underground music is just that, evolution, not about what's hot and what's not. That's reserved for the realm of pop music, which can suck my hairy ass.

And yeah everything I've said has probably already been said in this thread, but whatever.

hmm. I'm with you up till the highlighted part which exists in total denial of the fact even the underground is subject to trendiness and influence from pop music, hence the explosion of shitty scene crossover DM.

Sorry but Scenemetal will dominate, infect 95% of even the most underground DM, and the few real bands will be left trying to scrounge. Same as "true die-hard" thrash in 1997.

Tomes of Deceit · 10-04-2008, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SHRED6STRING

You misunderstand me.
Necrophagist is the new Death in the same sense that Lamb of God is the new Megadeth...
I've heard it said and it's a fucking joke. That's my point.

ChAAPY · 10-04-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomes of Deceit

You misunderstand me.
Necrophagist is the new Death in the same sense that Lamb of God is the new Megadeth...
I've heard it said and it's a fucking joke. That's my point.

I still can't believe Lamb of God blew up like they did.

I'll admit, I was a fan of the Burn the Priest cd and the first 2 LoG cd's 6 years ago or so, but man... signing to epic? mass appeal? did not see that one coming.

Vriend · 10-05-2008, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkpad20

The bands you mentioned will not be "replaced." No one is going to write a new Pierced from Within or a new Covenant, a new Close to a World Below, etc... these are legendary bands for a reason; because their music is timeless. New bands have come along and written amazing albums, but they have done it on the shoulders of other bands, just as those other bands did it on the shoulders of their heroes. The evolution of underground music is just that, evolution, not about what's hot and what's not. That's reserved for the realm of pop music, which can suck my hairy ass.

And yeah everything I've said has probably already been said in this thread, but whatever.

Blasting Entombed as we speak! But it was a different time at the time, dm wasn't really defined yet, the bands just tried to do what they see as death metal. There was a vague line, but still just trying out. At least, that's what I think.

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Originally Posted by RICE510

hmm. I'm with you up till the highlighted part which exists in total denial of the fact even the underground is subject to trendiness and influence from pop music, hence the explosion of shitty scene crossover DM.

Sorry but Scenemetal will dominate, infect 95% of even the most underground DM, and the few real bands will be left trying to scrounge. Same as "true die-hard" thrash in 1997.

In case you didn't notice, they already took slam over ages ago, brutal dm is being taken over as we speak and it is huge dude! Even in Europe, we didn't had that stuff 3 years ago. Before you know it, they claim to be death metal!

flayedandskinned · 10-05-2008, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Vriend

lol

say what you want about theie music, just an opinion. but look at it logically; Erik Rutan pretty much has pretty much Scott Burns status now production wise (say what you want about him as a producer, but all the bands are going to him now for that "brutal sound"), he has the Morbid Angel thing going for him, just got signed to one of the biggest most, popular labels for metal(Metalblade), the keep getting on more popular tours(black dahlia murder and job for a cowboy. shitty fucking tours music wise but they are definitely going to be exposing a lot of the scene kids to real death metal which in turn, means more record sales), they just put out a killer music video that has already been on Comcast Ondemand(a digital cable company in the U.S. where you can basically watch anything whenever you want) and MTV, and they keep getting good reviews for the past two records they put out. i think they are going to blow up huge eventually, if they play their cards right. hopefully they don't sacrifice their music for it. can't see Erik doing that though.

Vriend · 10-05-2008, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by flayedandskinned

say what you want about theie music, just an opinion. but look at it logically; Erik Rutan pretty much has pretty much Scott Burns status now production wise (say what you want about him as a producer, but all the bands are going to him now for that "brutal sound"), he has the Morbid Angel thing going for him, just got signed to one of the biggest most, popular labels for metal(Metalblade), the keep getting on more popular tours(black dahlia murder and job for a cowboy. shitty fucking tours music wise but they are definitely going to be exposing a lot of the scene kids to real death metal which in turn, means more record sales), they just put out a killer music video that has already been on Comcast Ondemand(a digital cable company in the U.S. where you can basically watch anything whenever you want) and MTV, and they keep getting good reviews for the past two records they put out. i think they are going to blow up huge eventually, if they play their cards right. hopefully they don't sacrifice their music for it. can't see Erik doing that though.

I see, hope they just get a decent sound at least guitarwise.
Now that I thinik of it, the sound was ok for HE on their DVD. The DVD is nice I must say, but live, uhm, well, they really need to make the guitars more audible so it doesn't sound like a wall of shit.

flayedandskinned · 10-05-2008, 04:06 AM

the guitars sounded great on I, Monarch as well...

Vriend · 10-05-2008, 04:07 AM

Also, why does HE have 2 guitarists now? It's unnecessary as far as I've heard. I'm not a fan of his productions or what HE does most of the time, but hey, at least it's death metal and he didn't go scene.

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10-03-2008, 09:25 PM	#61
LesserAnimal Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4,740 Rep Power: 0	Right. So we're likely in for quite a downturn as far as live DM goes. 5-10 years from now.

10-03-2008, 11:46 PM	#62
RICE510 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: California Posts: 7,555 Rep Power: 18	If you guys are honest with yourselves you'd all acknowledge the pink elephant that's in the room: Scenebands will take over and real Death Metal will be forced to try and tag along.

10-04-2008, 02:59 AM	#68
Tomes of Deceit eye decay Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 7,410 Rep Power: 17	Necrophagist is the new Death. Just like Lamb of God is the new Megadeth. That's the changing of the guard for you.

10-04-2008, 03:03 AM	#69
Nihilist Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 4,233 Rep Power: 14	Portal? The Australian one? They've been around since '94...

10-04-2008, 04:42 AM	#70
shroudofimpurity Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: santa cruz, california Posts: 8,217 Rep Power: 18	I dont know what exactly will happen in 10 years or so, but I know that we keep getting better and better offers for touring. And if there is a way to make this pay the bills and love what I do at the same time... that would kick ass! Whether or not you think my music is original, I put my heart in to it. And trust me, I'm not compromising... I'm just playing what comes natural. Also, we're not trying to out do the classic bands, or take their place in anyway.

10-04-2008, 09:10 AM	#76
Dan_Nailed Mesa/Boogie user Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 300 Rep Power: 9	I think Mastodon are the new Metallica, or if not the new Metallica then they are gonna be the front runners of the scene for a while. As for DM, I'd go for TBDM, Decrepit Birth and Psycroptic to have an impact myself.

10-04-2008, 10:12 AM	#77
Johnny-Skinless Vlad Dracul Join Date: May 2004 Location: Hell Posts: 7,098 Rep Power: 17	Changing of the what?? LOL@thread

10-04-2008, 08:15 PM	#82
thinkpad20 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 627 Rep Power: 7	The bands you mentioned will not be "replaced." No one is going to write a new Pierced from Within or a new Covenant, a new Close to a World Below, etc... these are legendary bands for a reason; because their music is timeless. New bands have come along and written amazing albums, but they have done it on the shoulders of other bands, just as those other bands did it on the shoulders of their heroes. The evolution of underground music is just that, evolution, not about what's hot and what's not. That's reserved for the realm of pop music, which can suck my hairy ass. And yeah everything I've said has probably already been said in this thread, but whatever.

10-05-2008, 04:06 AM	#89
flayedandskinned Registered Abuser Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,290 Rep Power: 0	the guitars sounded great on I, Monarch as well...

10-05-2008, 04:07 AM	#90
Vriend Afro Dog Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Pancake world Posts: 19,394 Rep Power: 0	Also, why does HE have 2 guitarists now? It's unnecessary as far as I've heard. I'm not a fan of his productions or what HE does most of the time, but hey, at least it's death metal and he didn't go scene.