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Old 04-23-2007, 07:06 AM   #31
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Sage Francis is pretty good.
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Old 04-23-2007, 07:41 AM   #32
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Old 04-23-2007, 08:30 AM   #33
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I'm into some stuff but I wouldn't call myself a hiphoper. latest Jedi Mind Tricks is definately one of my most played from last year though and Wu-Tang Clan's 36 Chambers definately has more plays from me than alot of albums.
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Old 04-23-2007, 08:45 AM   #34
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first post. Whats up guys?

I do like some rap/hip hop. A Tribe Called Quest, Public Enemy, Three 6 Mafia(guilty pleasure), Project Pat, old Ice Cube, some Wu Tang Clan. However, most rap/hip hop nowadays is just too fake. Nobody has anything to say anymore.
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:23 AM   #35
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Used to listen to lots of it. It's a shame there's only been a handful of good releases in last five to seven years, or so. I still listen to some cds every now and then, including: all of the shit wakeness mentioned, Organized Konfusion ( I recommend this to everyone who listens to rap at all ), Gravediggaz, Wu-Tang, Company flow, Cannibal Ox, Non Phixion, first Notorious B.I.G album, JMT, Mobb Deep, Gangstarr, Eric B & Rakim, Lords of the Underground and a couple of others I fail to remember right now.

Someone ought to put the 10th bullet in 50 cent
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Old 04-23-2007, 10:07 AM   #36
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Old 04-23-2007, 10:33 AM   #37
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i love wu-tang, ODB in particular is one of my favorite rappers. slick ass rhymes.

huge fan of immortal technique as well.

been listening to el-p's new album a lot recently, really good stuff.. check it out if you're into hip hop and haven't already.
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Old 04-23-2007, 10:56 AM   #38
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I'm going to get sooooo much shit for this but I like some old school ICP.. Riddlebox, Great Milenko, Carnival Of Carnage, and the first Dark Lotus CD.
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Old 04-23-2007, 11:37 AM   #39
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It's a shame there's only been a handful of good releases in last five to seven years, or so.
There's been plenty of good releases, you just have to look a little bit harder for them.
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:06 PM   #40
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One of my favorite genres of music if it's the right mc or group...

I'm suprised no one has mentioned Kool Keith...the best lyricist on this planet IMO...his album Black Elvis/Lost in Space is amazing along with his Dr. Octagon and Dr. Dooom albums (Dr. Dooom is his best work to date.)

Souls of Mischeif, Aesop, Ulramagnetic MC's, any solo WU members along with 36 and Forever, early The Roots, Cenobites, Mobb Deep, Big L...and on

As far as gangster rap...

Brotha Lynch, First Degree the DE, Sicx, X Raided, Ultra, Cloud Nine, Cougnut, 211, 11/5, Baldhead Ric and SB, GLP, RBL Posse, Cold World Hustlers, Triple 6, Three 6 Mafia, Bone Thugz, Young Droop...and more

There definitely a difference between hip hop and rap. Hip Hop is all about intelligent lyrical composition, with a real sounding drum kit and less bass...

Rap/Gangster is more about gang violence, drug dealing, killing, and gore, with darker beats and tons of bass...something I can't possibly relate to but still love it....
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:09 PM   #41
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used to like hip-hop, such as Onyx, Rahzel (never could spell his name), Beastie Boys, Wu Tang and BIG naturally, before i discovered metal and when i've looked back in hindsight aside from a very small select group of artists, virtually any single one of the death metal bands i've gotten into is far superior to the hip-hop artists/bands.

just seems to lack the pure aggression that the metal i love has so much on tap. Yes they can write angry rhythmic words and that but when the majority of all you've got underneath is seemingly really damn generic synth drums and "street beats", it detracts from it significantly IMO.

If there's anything "urban" flavoured that I actually still enjoy as much as before, it'd probably be drum n bass as while it's not as heavy - least not in the same way - as metal, it still has that adrenalising effect.
Obvious stuff like LTJ Bukem, Roni Size, Krust, Squarepusher, Grooverider... now that's street.
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:12 PM   #43
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There definitely a difference between hip hop and rap. Hip Hop is all about intelligent lyrical composition, with a real sounding drum kit and less bass...

Rap/Gangster is more about gang violence, drug dealing, killing, and gore, with darker beats and tons of bass...something I can't possibly relate to but still love it....
Even that description has its holes though. You can have dark beats and rap more about the "thug" side of things, but still do it in an intelligent way. Enter the Wu-Tang being the perfect example of that.
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aren't they far more interested in Kung Fu than they ever were in thuggin?

ie far more keen on being ninjas than gangstas.
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:14 PM   #45
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Maybe that explains his bippiing and a bopping around stage and the hand moshing! :P
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:23 PM   #46
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:27 PM   #47
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aren't they far more interested in Kung Fu than they ever were in thuggin?

ie far more keen on being ninjas than gangstas.
They still rapped about the typical aspects of growing up in the "ghetto," but they did it in a much more honest/realistic way. They still had their share of "thug" moments though:

"Ruff like Timberland wear, yeah
Me and the Clan, and yo the Landcruisers out there
Peace to all the crooks, all the niggaz with bad looks
Bald heads, braids, blow this hook
We got chrome tecs, nickel plated macs
Black axe, drug dealin styles in phat stacks
I only been a good nigga for a minute though
cuz I got to get my props, and win it yo
I got beef wit commercial-ass niggaz with gold teeth
lampin in a Lexus eatin beef
Straight up and down don't even bother
I got fourty niggaz up in here now, who kill niggaz fathers"
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:31 PM   #48
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de la soul, tribe called quest, pharcyde, eric b and rakim
I'll add Beastie Boys, Gangstarr, Ghetto Boys and Wu-Tang.
Pretty much sums up all the hip-hop I used to listen to until I picked up a guitar.
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Old 04-23-2007, 01:25 PM   #49
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aren't they far more interested in Kung Fu than they ever were in thuggin?

ie far more keen on being ninjas than gangstas.
ehh maybe on the first group record, but there's plenty of thug shit on there too and some of the the solo albums have a shitload of drugdealer songs.

I can't stop listening to the Blackstar record lately, Mos and Kwel are such amazing lyricists, especially Mos.
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ehh maybe on the first group record, but there's plenty of thug shit on there too and some of the the solo albums have a shitload of drugdealer songs.

I can't stop listening to the Blackstar record lately, Mos and Kwel are such amazing lyricists, especially Mos.
Other than BoBS though, Mos' solo stuff wasn't as good.
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Even that description has its holes though. You can have dark beats and rap more about the "thug" side of things, but still do it in an intelligent way. Enter the Wu-Tang being the perfect example of that.
True...there are exceptions but you get my drift...

Lynch is also a good example...his beats are definitely gangster and dark, his lyrics are as well but he does it in a more intelligent manor...an idiot can still tell the difference between his beats and style and WU's beats and style...

To the person who doesn't like hip hop and rap its all the same, but people like me and you who appreciate it, can definite hear a big difference...
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Electric Circus by Common is amazing. Like Water for Chocolate and One Day It'll all Make Sense are really good too.
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I just realized I contradicted myself in my last post...

but you should get my point.
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There's been plenty of good releases, you just have to look a little bit harder for them.
Might be... Can't say I've been looking for any new rap albums lately. care to recommend something new(ish) then? And oh shit, how could I forget about Kool Keith. That Dr.Octagon album is pure brilliance and the Dr.Dooom one has it's moments as well
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Might be... Can't say I've been looking for any new rap albums lately. care to recommend something new(ish) then?
Aesop Rock - Bazooka Tooth, Labor Days
Canibus - Rip the Jacker
Deltron 3030
El-P - I'll Sleep When You're Dead
Cage - Movies For The Blind, Hell's Winter
Leak Bros. - Waterworld
Brother Ali - Shadows On The Sun, The Undisputed Truth
The Rza Presents - Afro Samurai (The Soundtrack)
Non-Prophets - Hope
Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein
The Roots - Game Theory
Ghostface Killah - Fishscale, More Fish
Mr. Lif - Mo Mega
R.A. the Rugged Man - Die Rugged Man, Die
The Coup - Pick A Bigger Weapon
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:00 PM   #56
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To the person who doesn't like hip hop and rap its all the same, but people like me and you who appreciate it, can definite hear a big difference...
Same goes for Death metal. A seasoned listener hears the music, and a non-listener hears noise.
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:02 PM   #57
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There are different catagories in underground hip hop..you got the revolutionary/socialist/militant hh ie. immortal technique,diabolic, sabac red, dead prez; positive/good vibe hh ie. binary star, visionaries, living legends, the pharcyde, tribe called quest, talib kweli; metaphysical/spiritual/weird hh ie. kool keith,first jedi mind tricks record, lost children of babylon, cosmic crusador; adult swim/ cartoon hh ie. mf doom, danger doom,quasimoto, cool calm pete; gore/death rap hh ie. necro, ill bill, later jmt, circle of tyrants; street life/ life hh ie. wu-tang, nas,krs one, the fugees, talib kweli.
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Kool Keith AKA Dr. Doom, FTW!
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Kool Keith AKA Dr. Doom, FTW!
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:40 PM   #60
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I have a soft spot for this album
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